Recent news coverage shows that Seattle is a hotbed for anti-testing sentiment. This is underscored by a recent press conference held by the president of the NAACP and local educators. We talk with Dr. Thelma jackson about the testing opt-out movement in Seattle, its implications, and the actors who are driving it. As an educator, former school board members, and leader of the Black Strategy Roundtable’s education effort Dr. Jackson schools us on local and national education politics.